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Author Topic: Sound: Audio tips, equipment suggestions and Music for your movies?  (Read 1388 times)
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« on: January 30, 2008, 10:07:44 PM »

George Lucas once said Sound is 50% of your movie... It's that important, if you want to go out and send your movie to Sundance or Cannes then you're going to need to save up some cash or take out a loan... or sell a kidney... to get heard. You're going to want to have a few things to get your audio up to par...

Firstly, A shotgun mic if the foundation of a good audio kit, you can make yourself a boompole by screwing a mic holder into a painters pole or taping the mic to a broom handle (either works, but don't waste cash on a pro boom pole... it's $200-$5000 for a graphite pole!)... A good cheap shotgun mic can be found on ebay... a nice choice is the ATR55 (around 100 bucks if you want some of the neat accessories... I personally use a NTG2 by Rode)




Beware, higher end shotgun mics use XLR cables... and you might need an adapter to plug into a 1/8" stereo mic input. I use the Beachtek adapter that allows two XLR cable inputs at once to get a full stereo feel (it allows higher quality sound editing in post)

Secondly, you'll want a lavalier mic. They're usually wireless but a wired one that has a LONG cable that runs across the room to your camera will work! They usually clip onto your actor's shirt and run to a wireless receiver that's attached to the camera. It allows you to record audio from someone spewing dialogue, especially at wide angles where a shotgun mic would be seen in frame.

The cool thing about wireless receivers for lavalier mics is that you can gets one that will pick up multiple microphones... this is great for when two people are talking in a frame and you need to pick up both of their voices!



Beware lavalier mics are sensitive buggers... turn off your cellphone.

Thirdly, Try not to use a shotgun mic for strict indoor use for it is mainly meant to be used for exterior shoots they pick up a LOT of reflected noise inside. For indoor usage a hypercardioid mic is preferred... my NTG2 is decent in both indoors and outdoors but a seperate indoor mic is preferred.



BUT WAIT!!!!

Your camera doesn't have a mic input!? Oh know! OMGZZZZ! Don't fret. You can pick up a voice recorder, plug in a mic into your laptop or even have one an old tape deck. Be careful though, make sure to record sound for every take and say the scene number and take number in the microphone as well as have an actor clap before you say action to make synching up easier in post.

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Now you've got your sound and you need to link it up on your computer? Go get Audacity... http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ it's a great FREE program that allows you to run your audio through it and make sure everythings working well, also you can record your own music from your guitar or whatever for some scoring (more on that in a minute)... If you have some cash and you want a great program to really help your audio. Bias Soundsoap is a really user-friendly way to make all of your audio recordings sound smooth, it can clear up fuzzy recordings and even add a layer of compression to your whole movie to make the audio seem unified.

Also adding background noise (like birds chirpping and wind blowing for EXT. shots) will help cover holes in your audio or take attention away from a fuzzy recording.

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Now onto music...

How often have our movies suffered from lack of music? Background music can cover flaws in your audio tracks, it adds a HUGE amount to the storyline, it can build suspense or even relieve the audience... it's has the power to convey emotion and the power to give your film a truly finished look!

Now, to get a full sized orchesta to perform custom pieces that are original and convey the ideas and emotions you want will cost a pretty penny! There are some free sites on the internet that have free to use music and tracks such as http://www.mobygratis.com/film-music.html, http://www.royalty-free.tv/ or even http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/... problem is they probably won't match up very well unless you edit around the music... which in some cases is really hard. (ex. say you have the perfect cut of a suspenceful moment and it took an hour to get every shot cut down and shaved off so it fit exactly right... then you get a song and it completely changes the tempo... sucks right?)... Fruityloops is a free program (demo) that allows you to make some fairly simple work that you can export (can't save in demo mode) and put into your films. I've goofed around in Fruityloops and actually made a silly John Carpenter-esque theme song once.

If anyone wants I use a midi keyboard and gigastudios + reason 4 to make my own orchestal pieces... it's far more elaborate then fruity loops and allows me to have less limitations of sound and functionality.... I was inspired my Robert Rodriguez's Inside Troublemaker Studios (special feature on Once Upon a Time in Mexico) to get myself a midi controller keyboard and score my own movies.

I am willing to make some pieces for you guys, free of charge, for people who want to add the finishing touches on school projects, video festival entries, etc... all I ask is for a name in the credits Tongue... I prefer receiving actual video files to work with so the timing is right plus notes on how it should sound, but if it's for future use I don't mind doing it just with some guidelines.

It'll take sometime if there are multiple requests, but I'll try to keep up especially if deadlines are a matter.

Note I am not a professional musician, so don't expect Fur Elise Tongue I'll do my best to serve the indie community. Tell your friends as well! I also have a electronic drum kit that I will soon be linking up to the computer (waiting for the right cords... damn snail mail) so I can also add more natural sounding drums to the pieces... trying to recreate drums on a keyboard is a bitch.

Well hopefully that covers it! Add any info or suggestions.

- From your friendly neighbourhood Westcroft



UPDATE:

Sorry guys, forgot to mention one of the most important aspect of movie sound... The sound effect *slaps head*.... I was up late writing the post and planned to do a quick overview. so here we go!

Getting sound effects off the internet is a great quick and easy way to get sound effects in your movie. The best free site is www.sounsnap.com...

My favorite way of getting customized sound effects that fit perfectly in your movies is using the process of foley art... this is recording seperate sounds that you produce and then adding it into your movie. For example tossing a phonebook on the ground for a body hitting the ground and making a thud or layering celery breaking, a clap and some sort of bassy sound to make a nice punching (bone breaking) sound.

If you decide to pick up a shotgun mic or a hypercardioid, they are perfect for  recording seperate sounds...
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 10:25:57 PM »

Here's an abridged bullet list of things that should be in your audio kits (also some cheap products I found)

Shotgun Mic - Audio Technica ATR55 (cheap and no need for XLR to 1/8" stereo.. it's already a 1/8" plug  Cheesy)


Lavalier Mic System (wireless) - Audio Technica ATw201 (around $150, but it's the cheapest one you'll want... I picked up a 20 dollar one off ebay... it's good if you want all your "p"s and "b"s to sound like a robot is malfunctioning.


Hypercardioid Mic - Audio Technica ATM650 (Audio Technica seems to be the motif eh?) this baby is just an example... I honestly don't have a hypercardioid mic yet, but I'm looking at this one. You can get it usually for a little less then $100 off eBay and although they're are cheaper solutions that you can look into, this is a starting point.


Headphones - You're going to want the DJ style headband headphones... you need something to isolate all the background noise (even the noises your recording) you only want to hear whats coming through the microphone. You need to hear any problems or sound issues so you're not relying on Soundsoap to fix it all.




If you need XLR to 1/8" Adapters then you'll need XLR > to RCA Stereo > to RCA splitter (this splits the stereo into two mono cables) > to RCA Mono to 1/8" Stereo (takes the two RCA mono cords and makes a 1/8" stereo jack)... or you can spend a littly extra moolah and get the Beachtek DXA-2s which will allow you to skip all the different plugs (allowing a clearer signal) also the DXA-2s mounts to the bottom of your camera via the tripod screw and then you screw the Beachtek into your tripod... it's pretty nifty and gives you many different opttions in sound control! Also if your camera doesn't have a headphone jack then you can monitor sound using the beachtek as well!


If you don't have a mic input on your camera, like I said, you'll need a voice recorder. My favorite is a minidisc recorder for it's digital and portable. My suggestion is a Sony minidisc recorder (ex.  MZR70)




Lastly you'll need a safe place to transport and store all of your equipment... I'd suggest some sort of designated bag opposed to your average backpack or duffel bag... preferably water resistant and something with padding. Pleather is nice too Tongue

Good luck and be heard!


- From your friendly neighbourhood Westcroft.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 12:15:54 PM »

Thanks for the info. When coming up with ideas and schemes sound always seems to be last on my list.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 12:27:59 PM »

very nice tutorial for great sound devices
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 12:29:32 PM »

It was the same for me, then one day I attended a Film clinic that focused solely on sound. It was intense, they had examples of a dozen videos found on the internet and some were shaky and noisy and others used tripods and decent sound equipment... and you can honestly see just how big of an impact it has.

If the sound sucks then you immediately will disregard the film as anything more then some crappy home video... it makes the plot hard to follow and any notion of connotative value is chucked out the window.

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 01:11:56 PM »

very nice tutorial for sound devices
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 05:23:55 PM »

very nice tutorial for sound devices

Thank you, I hope everyone can take something from it!

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 09:12:42 AM »

I have the Audio Technica ATR55, and although it's cheap it is a good standard mic, Its a
good few steps up from an integral camcorder mic. With a litte jiggery pokery it works
really well as a boom mic, heres two photos of an upto 12ft extendable boom mic I made.
The 1/4" jack from the end of the extension cable would plug directly into the camcorder
'external sound' socket. The tube is an aluminium extendable window cleaning pole and its
really light making it easy to hold for long periods, and the mic itself is being held in with
elastic bands, but it wouldnt be too difficult to use proper springs if I remake it at some
point.




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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2008, 06:58:11 AM »

I love that homemade Shockmount! I saw a great one made from PVC a while back that the dude hack sawed into a similar shape as the average one, but I thought that was too much work.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 01:17:10 PM »

Here's a rough demo of a piece I made using Reason 4... it sounds weird by itself but the context was the director wanted a song that would relate to what was happening in the film... it's the main character's big ending where he accidently realizes who the killer is... and of course it's someone he never expected... someone who is sitting right next to him. The ending where the pitch on the cello fades down after a pause was when the actor looked over at his friend (AKA the killer) and just stares.

If anyone needs some pieces done, give me a pm or just post a request.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7FTOAQZK

It'll take you to a page, it'll ask for you to enter in three letters and then you it'll take you to the download page. Sorry for the hassle, I'm not sure any other way to post it. any suggestions for future reference?
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 12:48:58 AM »

For film music you should also try Jon Vandergriff (http://www.jonvandergriff.com)
Every once in a while I'll make my own music but its kind of a pain
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2008, 02:57:07 PM »

Man nobody on here wants music made? Poops, I was looking forward to it Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2008, 03:14:35 PM »

Well the movie I'm working on now doesn't actually have music, its a Cloverfield type movie so any music is at the end or just ambient noise, but I have listend to your music and its good (may want some better orch samples, a little miditastic), so next time I make a film I shall contact you.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2008, 07:11:09 PM »

Yeah it's the rough demo, I run the notes through different filters and sometimes instruments in the end. Cloverfield type, eh? I had an idea for a POV style movie but I find if I try and make it, it'll just be passed off as a rip off
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2008, 07:52:49 PM »

nothing is original anymore so I don't care if people think I'm ripping it off, plus Cloverfield ripped off TBWP, My movie is more of an homage if you will
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